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Weird: A Trade That Makes Complete Sense For Both Teams

July 11, 2009 · 3 Comments

Make it happen, basketball gods.

Make it happen, basketball gods.

From HoopsWorld:

Does anyone believe Erick Dampier is actually going to be in Dallas on opening night? While it sounds nice to say Shawn Marion and Josh Howard could play together on the wings in Dallas . . . and they might just be able to . . . it seems more likely the Mavs continue to shop Erick Dampier. Second, the Detroit Pistons are currently without a center and are shopping guard Richard Hamilton. Rip’s number also matches up with Dampier’s, and again, the Pistons have seen both of their centers sign with other teams over the last few days.

You don’t see that very often: a trade that would clearly help two teams.

Dampier isn’t exactly a force in the middle, but he’s a substantial upgrade over Kwame Brown. Dampier is an offensive buffoon — not including his occasionally preternatural ability to suck in offensive boards — but at least the man can rebound.

Were the Mavericks to hold on to Dampier’s large contrat, Josh Howard would be part of a ridiculously potent (if streaky) 2-4 offensive line-up alongside Charlie Villanueva and Ben Gordon. And the Howard-Hamilton salaries match.

Rip seems just right for the Mavericks, who are desperate for a consistent outside threat. The fact he’s a 30+ veteran with a fat, long-term contract would seamlessly slot into the Cuban way of doing things, financially.

Posted By: Anton

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Count Q+A: Hedo, Ron & Trevor

July 4, 2009 · 1 Comment

So, the silly season is upon us, and the Count is ready to weigh in with opinions left, right, and centre on Ron, Trev, Charlie and Ben — who sound like a 1960s mod rock band but are, in fact, all basketball players.

What will he do? Get it?

What will he do? Get it?

Where should Turkoglu end up? Where is he likely to?

Anton: Let’s do the second part first. I see him signing with the Raptors, a poorly-run franchise desperate to surround Chris Bosh with known entities. Toronto want name players, guys with ‘championship experience,’ and they’ll pay for it. Being the league’s only non-US franchise, the Raptors seem to pride themselves on their international flavour, so securing the Turkish Jordan will blow minds north of the border.

Never mind that he’s yet another long three-point man who doesn’t rebound, sliding in next to Bargnani, who is carving out a semi-successful career without ever setting foot in the paint on either end. Never mind that he’ll be overpaid.

You know where he should end up? Orlando. He’s perfect for them. He can run the offense when Jameer Nelson isn’t on the court, and he can nail open bombs off kick-outs and screens. His sporadic defensive failures and lack of rebounding are offset by the brute interior strength of The Manchild.

Yes, he should stay in Orlando. But they can’t offer him enough money, so he won’t.

James: Turkoglu will get overpaid. Let’s be frank: he’s playing in a set up that suits him perfectly, and he’s the third-best player on his team. Without a solid, shooting 4 like Rashard Lewis, he has a lot less space to operate, and he flourished in a situation where he’s the go-to guy in the clutch.

Ideally, you’d like to see him as the final piece on a contender… but he’ll take a pay day. If Portland offer him the bucks now — and it would be a horrible move if they do — that’s where he’ll be; they’re an exciting team and probably good enough for the WCFs next year, taking a game or two off the Lakers.

I’d actually love Turkoglu at the Mavericks. Think about it. He’s a much better fit for that team than Howard is at the 3, as he can camp on the perimeter and get kick-outs from Dirk. Likewise, he’s a guy who revels on good looks (otherwise shooting woefully from the field) so he’d be fit if Kidd is feeding him the rock.

Having said that, I see him taking a pay day from the Blazers or Raptors.

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Finally, The Third Season Is Upon Us!

June 24, 2009 · Leave a Comment

Quite frankly, we at The Sport Count have been waiting for the offseason for some time.

After the Cavs got booted and we grinded toward the inevitability of the Lakers overmatching an under-performing and overwhelmed Orlando, my fingers were itching for trades, draft chatter, and General Manager fuck-ups galore.

The issue was… it didn’t begin. With one of the most baffling and boring draft classes of all time (with genuine confusion from journalists, fans and the all-important blogosphere as to where key players would end up), and GMs seemingly reluctant to make the trades we’ve been begging for since the deadline, I was beginning to think that this offseason would be as boring as the Buss family’s victory speech after Game 5.

Going to the Spurs, it's like going to the dark side.

Going to the Spurs, it's like going to the dark side.

Then… it all transformed. All of sudden, I awaken to news of Richard Jefferson being traded to the Spurs for Bruce Bowen and some other unlikeables who’ll likely be back with the Spurs by November. Andrew Bogut grudgingly accepts it:

Sad to see RJ go. He was a fun guy to be around and could play. We are building for the future, slow and steady. Patience grasshopper.

But for the rest of us, the glow of the third season has finally begun. Even if it restores the Spurs as championship contenders and makes us all hate the world a little bit more, finally, there’s something to read about.

Almost as soon as this happenned, the ridiculous trade between the Celtics and the Pistons, involving Rondo, Ray Allen, Stuckey, Prince and Hamilton, began to come to light. All of a sudden, Rondo is being proactively shopped and we’re starting to think that a major trade will be made prior to the next season.

Then we start to get some meaningful talk of the Knicks trading up (via sending Larry Hughes back to Washington and turning #5 and #8 into #2) in order to get little Ricky Rubio — all of a sudden making draft day moves and rookies swapping hats is a tangible possibility.

All of a sudden, the excitement has hit us again: ESPN has more than one item on the NBA per day; True Hoop is talking; Twitter is alight and the NBA’s third season has well and truly got us hooked, hoping and praying that it tides us over until October.

Posted: by James

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A Cheapening Of Championship Glory: Why You Never Want To Sweep Your Opponent

June 11, 2009 · 9 Comments

The Magic have given the Lakers a real fight.

The Magic have given the Lakers a real fight.

In the first game of the finals series, the Lakers looked absolutely dominant, the Magic completely outmatched, the talent gap between the two teams vast.

The imagination of serious basketball heads ran wild, conjuring images of LeBron and his Cavalier mates going toe-to-toe with Kobe Bryant and his crew, challenging them on every possession, fighting for every rebound. It seemed like an injustice that The Manchild, Hedo, and Rashard had stolen from us the showdown we deserved: The King and The Black Mamba.

In the second game, that feeling faded, and the 100-75 scoreline in game one looked like an aberration; a result dictated by the nerves of the Orlando players, a surprisingly engaged Los Angeles crowd, and Kobe Bryant playing at the peak of his game.

And in game three, the developing sense that Orlando deserved their spot in the last dance was assured. It was clear: they’d earned the right to be there. They were the best in the east, a (sporadically sputtering) offensive juggernaut, a tenacious defensive crew anchored by a beast in the middle.

But if the Lakers had won game three — making a sweep the most likely outcome — the average basketball fan would have been sorely disappointed. Hell, the Lakers would have been too. Their victory would have been cheap.

Cheap. The worst label that can be affixed to glory. That grotesque asterisk. Barry Bonds’ home run achievements? Cheap. George W. Bush’s Florida win in 2000? Cheap. For the Lakers to be ‘true champions’ — with the ideas of fairness and equity of ability attached to that — they needed a tough opponent.

That’s true of all the Lakers, but especially Kobe. If he wants a ring sans Shaquille, as the best player on his team, he needs to avoid that asterisk.

Had the championship scoreline ended up at 4-0, no one would have remembered how hard the Magic had fought throughout. The series would have fizzled, becoming nothing more than a slow death march for the Floridians, and an extended championship parade for the Lakers.

The Lakers will likely get their rings. Only three teams have ever recovered from being down 0-2, and the Magic appear too streaky, too dependent on the three-ball, to be the fourth. But the fact Orlando has taken a game — the only finals win in franchise history — ensures the Lakers can’t be labelled as cheap champions.

The Lakers will deserve their rings.

The Spurs hardly earned their 2007 title.

The Spurs hardly earned their 2007 title.

Unlike, say, the Spurs in 2007, when they demolished a poor Cleveland team who’d weaseled their way through a weak conference on the back of stellar efforts from LeBron James. The Cavaliers shouldn’t have been there, and the Spurs never faced adversity. It was a cakewalk. A 4-0 embarrassment.

Unlike the Rockets in 1995, who beat up a young Magic team, and didn’t have to face Michael Jordan, freshly returned from retirement, and still easing into game shape.

Unlike the Pistons in 2004, who defeated a Lakers team who had completely imploded. The series finished 4-1. That Lakers team stole a game, but they weren’t a match for the Pistons who, despite a significant lack of real talent, at least played well as a team.

As they say in politics, you’re defined by your opponent. For your championship to count, you need to have been beaten, bloodied and bruised.

The Magic aren’t giving the title away. They’re giving the Lakers all they’ve got. And so, when the Larry O’Brien trophy* heads to California, justice will have been served.

There will be no asterisk.

Posted By: Anton

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*This feature originally misidentified the NBA championship trophy as the Maurice Podoloff trophy. That is actually the regular season MVP trophy.

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Detroit Frustrates Basketball Fans Even Further

November 4, 2008 · Leave a Comment

bringing personality to Motown.

The Answer: bringing personality to Motown.

Just 48 hours ago, basketball fans led an easy life. We knew who we liked and who we disliked. Things were black and white in the NBA. Now Detroit and Denver have gone and muddied the waters, by setting off the first blockbuster trade of the season.

With Allen Iverson set to pack his bags and head to Motown, and Chauncey Billups and Antonio McDyess heading back to Colorado, basketball fans will have to reconsider their opinions. Over here at The Sport Count, we thought we had Detroit figured. We were happy to consider them a faceless, coldly-efficient franchise. Rip Hamilton is an unlikable, pesky defender; Chauncey is a highly-competent but less-than-exciting point guard; Tayshaun Prince isn’t unlikable, but he’s not electrifying; and Sheed is a big angry moron. They were the team of second-tier NBA identities who were consistently able to bring teams down to their slow grind of play, and suck the fun out of just about any game.

No longer is this true. In Iverson, Detroit have picked up one of the most colorful NBA identities ever, and perhaps more annoyingly, a genuinely exciting, explosive talent who is a joy to watch. The Count is displeasd about this, because we had already planned which games to watch and had efficiently discounted any match-up involving San Antonio or Detroit. So now we’ll have to figure out whether or not it’s worth committing a few hours to watching one of the least likable teams in basketball for the sporadic moments of brilliance from AI. Worse, basketball fans now have to think about whether Detroit just picked up the offensive talent they needed to translate their conference finals form into genuine championship contention.

On the other side of the coin, Denver also becomes less likable. Nothing against Chauncey and McDyess, but between Iverson, Melo and Andersen, there was an enjoyably large number of criminal charges at Denver. The move is probably a good one for Denver, as they now have a genuine point guard and perimeter threat in Billups, which will give Melo room to move as the number one option on the offensive end. But for anyone not a Denver fan, we’ve lost the nightly buzz generated by the possibility that Melo and AI combine to choke an entire opposing team in a violent 12 second melee. And that, as an NBA fan, is a sad thing to lose.

Posted by: Alex

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